{"id":1759,"date":"2025-03-11T20:09:00","date_gmt":"2025-03-11T20:09:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/?p=1759"},"modified":"2025-09-04T13:14:22","modified_gmt":"2025-09-04T13:14:22","slug":"tachina-fera-vs-magnicornis-vs-tetramera","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/tachina-fera-vs-magnicornis-vs-tetramera\/","title":{"rendered":"Tachina fera vs magnicornis vs tetramera"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"754\" src=\"http:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m-1024x754.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1721\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m-1024x754.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m-300x221.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m-768x566.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m-1536x1132.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-Hartslock-2005052-05m.jpg 1759w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The recent arrival of <em>Tachina magnicornis<\/em> in Suffolk and then later in Kent has created a quite tricky problem for us at the recording scheme. It has always been very easy to identify <em>T. fera <\/em>in photos and to distinguish them from vaguely similar species like <em>Nemoraea pellucida<\/em> or <em>Peleteria rubescens<\/em>, but now we have a genuinely very similar species to contend with. Furthermore, Christer is convinced that they have a third species called <em>T. tetramera <\/em>in Scandinavia but there it seems to be a montane species so we are not expecting it here. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>David Basham has very kindly helped out here by providing a lot of specimens of <em>T. magnicornis<\/em> and together we have gone through them and compared to a selection of specimens sent to me by Christer Bergstrom. All 3x species are a little bit variable and they seem to vary across their geographic ranges and between the 2 broods, but we have managed to work out some stable features of at least the males that seem to be very reliable. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Basically:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>if the frons is normal \/ narrow then it&#8217;s still <em>T. fera<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>if it&#8217;s wide then it is either <em>T. magnicornis<\/em> or <em>T. tetramera<\/em>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>If it is a male then \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>if it has short fore claws then it is <em>T. magnicornis<\/em><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>if they are long (like <em>T. fera<\/em>) then it is <em>T. tetramera<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>if it is female then \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>we haven&#8217;t found any reliable features to split females of <em>T. magnicornis <\/em>&amp; <em>tetramera<\/em>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-1 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"994\" height=\"1024\" data-id=\"1761\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m-994x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1761\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m-994x1024.jpg 994w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m-291x300.jpg 291w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m-768x791.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m-1491x1536.jpg 1491w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-2025-03-11-14-05-42-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1573w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 994px) 100vw, 994px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina magnicornis<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"928\" height=\"1024\" data-id=\"1760\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m-928x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1760\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m-928x1024.jpg 928w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m-272x300.jpg 272w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m-768x847.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m-1392x1536.jpg 1392w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-14-26-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1450w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 928px) 100vw, 928px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina fera<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Male cercus seen laterally <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"780\" data-id=\"1762\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m-1024x780.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1762\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m-1024x780.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m-300x228.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m-768x585.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m-1536x1170.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-2025-03-11-14-20-27-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1916w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina magnicornis<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"832\" data-id=\"1763\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m-1024x832.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1763\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m-1024x832.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m-300x244.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m-768x624.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-tetramera-2025-03-11-14-25-22-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1330w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina tetramera<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Male fore claws <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-3 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"805\" data-id=\"1772\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m-1024x805.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1772\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m-1024x805.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m-300x236.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m-768x604.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-female-2024-06-12-15-31-44-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1373w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina fera (female)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"751\" data-id=\"1773\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m-1024x751.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1773\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m-1024x751.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m-300x220.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m-768x563.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-female-2024-06-12-13-29-48-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1472w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina magnicornis (female)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-4 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"811\" data-id=\"1774\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m-1024x811.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1774\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m-1024x811.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m-300x238.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m-768x608.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-fera-male-2024-06-12-14-26-52-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1364w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina fera (male)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"826\" data-id=\"1775\" src=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m-1024x826.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1775\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m-1024x826.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m-300x242.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m-768x619.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/Tachina-magnicornis-male-2024-06-12-13-06-37-CSmoothing4m.jpg 1339w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tachina magnicornis (male)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Frons width &#8211; note these are very variable and so they are not easy to judge and often require careful measurement under a microscope. Note that male <em>magnicornis <\/em>can have as wide a frons as the females AND they also have proclinate orbital bristles, which makes them a bit confusing to diagnose from photos. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The recent arrival of Tachina magnicornis in Suffolk and then later in Kent has created a quite tricky problem for us at the recording scheme.&hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1721,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[57,322],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1759","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-new-species","category-tutorials"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1759","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1759"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1759\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1782,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1759\/revisions\/1782"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1721"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1759"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1759"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/tachinidae.org.uk\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1759"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}